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New Comp/Exercise/Discussion

Post by Antcliff » Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:34 pm

Greetings, Pgers!

It is time for a new Comp/Exercise/Discussion/Poetic Unfolding

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THE IDEA

1. We all write three...but related...poems. And post them below (when we finish them).
2. To produce the second we take our first poem and make it more "modern".
3. To create our third poem we take our second poem and make it (even) more "modern".

Of course the likeliest result is that we find we do not have much of a grasp of what these transitions require. And yet, I suggest that this may well be the fun element...pondering over what could be involved. We would be allowed to critique along the way.

The thought is not merely that we aim for modernity, but we ponder over just what that might involve. If you look up at the top of the page you will see "Contemporary Poetry Forum". Gonna shine a light on that for a wee while. This will not be a standard comp because I want to encourage more joint engagement with the subject, more discussion if you will, or at least more amiable and helpful discussion.

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Re: New Comp/Exercise/Discussion

Post by David » Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:02 pm

That sounds fun. But quite hard.

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Re: New Comp/Exercise/Discussion

Post by Antcliff » Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:32 pm

David wrote:That sounds fun. But quite hard.
Too hard?
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Re: New Comp/Exercise/Discussion

Post by Ros » Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:13 pm

Will the temptation be to make the last poem more free verse, words scattered around, etc? Is that what many would think of as modern? Not that it is, of course. And the poetry we write now is modern by definition...

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Re: New Comp/Exercise/Discussion

Post by Macavity » Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:27 am

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Re: New Comp/Exercise/Discussion

Post by David » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:21 am

Antcliff wrote:
David wrote:That sounds fun. But quite hard.
Too hard?
Can we distinguish a poem written in 1970 from one written in 2017? That is the question. I'm not sure we can.

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Re: New Comp/Exercise/Discussion

Post by Antcliff » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:38 pm

David wrote:
Antcliff wrote:
David wrote:That sounds fun. But quite hard.
Too hard?
Can we distinguish a poem written in 1970 from one written in 2017? That is the question. I'm not sure we can.


Probably not...without a more recent theme or piece of vocabulary. Still, it is part of the point of this thread to ask the question....have there been any stylistic/form changes since then? Certainly the prose poem has come to be a significant form.

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Re: New Comp/Exercise/Discussion

Post by David » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:48 pm

Might it be more interesting (to me, anyway) - and easier - to just write a poem now - modern by definition, as Ros says - and then "age it" backwards? Or is that old hat? Or modern hat. Or post-modern hat. I don't know!

I am only wondering.

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Re: New Comp/Exercise/Discussion

Post by Antcliff » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:03 pm

David wrote:Might it be more interesting (to me, anyway) - and easier - to just write a poem now - modern by definition, as Ros says - and then "age it" backwards? Or is that old hat? Or modern hat. Or post-modern hat. I don't know!

I am only wondering.
Fun plan.
Could do.

But though a poem would be "modern" by one definition if it were written now, it need not be so in any sense that has interested people. You could write in the style of Coleridge and age back perhaps. But that would be an odd "modern" starting point. Nor need it engage with anything from the "Innovative"/"Experimental" file. Why don't we engage a little with "modern" in a sense that has some sort of link with that? I think I will have a bit of shuffle through that file and perhaps post some links.

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Post by Ros » Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:07 am

David wrote:Might it be more interesting (to me, anyway) - and easier - to just write a poem now - modern by definition, as Ros says - and then "age it" backwards? Or is that old hat? Or modern hat. Or post-modern hat. I don't know!

I am only wondering.
If you do that and then swap the order, we wouldn't know you hadn't done it the way that was originally suggested.
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Re: New Comp/Exercise/Discussion

Post by Ros » Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:10 am

David wrote:
Antcliff wrote:
David wrote:That sounds fun. But quite hard.
Too hard?
Can we distinguish a poem written in 1970 from one written in 2017? That is the question. I'm not sure we can.
Dark pub, and its barmaid!
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Re: New Comp/Exercise/Discussion

Post by RCJames » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:38 pm

One Theme – Three Errors (err – Eras)

1. Knights and Damsels (in no distress)

‘Tis oft decided on, before solutions fade,
times twenty times away from recovery.
Upon the heath, there once rode a maid
disguised as harlot; undefended, at liberty,
all in garment adventure-full. Seizing tides
within her, she swept the land of gentlemen,
gloriously waved, drowned them, none abides,
full in birthday brief, beyond their nervy ken.

2. Victoria - Victoriahh (no reins)

One searches beyond one’s ready mind
for the steady, solution-charged attack.
A modest, well apportioned lady walked
along the nearest strand with parasol in hand,
glancing, circumspectly only, at the men who
congregated there. She began a twirling dance
never seen in those environs, debilitating
the mens’eyes, wounding all of their defenses.

3. 'Front 'a Hawley Arms - (golden)

‘S’up bro, you all systems go, or bent?
Ain’t so green widdit, but gonna stan’ up.
Chill, you goddid, that an’ a bag ‘a chips.
Wohh – check this out, she’s a dime piece,
smokin’ pedalicious, struttin’ five by five.
Her peeps ‘d scope you a smokin’ firestorm;
ButoJ’s gob fell open down to his blue kicks,
us boyz all systems go, shag 'a shag ‘a silly.
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Re: New Comp/Exercise/Discussion

Post by Ros » Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:04 pm

Very good, RC! Though the last one feels more 1960s than contemporary, so perhaps you haven't quite come up to date.
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Post by Antcliff » Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:37 pm

Ros wrote:Very good, RC! Though the last one feels more 1960s than contemporary, so perhaps you haven't quite come up to date.
Enjoyed these very much, RC!

But doesn't Ace/Rock and Roll/Carnaby Street shift this last poem to, say, the 1960s? Granted, that is more modern in reference than, say, Tennyson. But it is still c.60 years ago?

Still, it is an entry. So three big cheers for RC!

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Re: New Comp/Exercise/Discussion

Post by RCJames » Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:54 am

Aw heck - I didn't realize the third had to come up to the present - just newer - do I get to edit it up to now - it wouldn't take much? RC

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Re: New Comp/Exercise/Discussion

Post by David » Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:16 am

Ros wrote:
David wrote: Can we distinguish a poem written in 1970 from one written in 2017? That is the question. I'm not sure we can.
Dark pub, and its barmaid!
Aha! You reckon? Dark pub was written in 2011. But I was written in 1957. Fnar fnar.

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Re: New Comp/Exercise/Discussion

Post by JJWilliamson » Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:14 am

I think the original idea is a good one. I, for one, would love to see where it would take me. I'm half way there already, anyway. LOL

I walked so lonely in a crowd
across the bridge that spanned the Tyne,
when all at once I saw a cloud
of seagulls heading for the brine.

Ok, I'll stop there. For now.

I'm in, but I need definite parameters.

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Re: New Comp/Exercise/Discussion

Post by Antcliff » Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:51 am

JJWilliamson wrote:I think the original idea is a good one. I, for one, would love to see where it would take me. I'm half way there already, anyway. LOL

I walked so lonely in a crowd
across the bridge that spanned the Tyne,
when all at once I saw a cloud
of seagulls heading for the brine.

Ok, I'll stop there. For now.

I'm in, but I need definite parameters.

JJ


Good luck, JJ. Not sure there are any further parameters. Bit of a make-of-it-what-you-will task. I look forward to seeing what emerges....or what comes flapping from the brine.
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Re: New Comp/Exercise/Discussion

Post by JJWilliamson » Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:56 pm

Okay, it's loose. That's fine and thanks for letting me know.

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