NOON 13

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NOON 13

Postby Firebird » Sat Apr 08, 2017 10:18 am

Philip Rowland's NOON is out today. And it's a cracking edition. I've nothing in there myself, but for me it's by far and away the best mag/journal for short poetry be it online or on paper. It's in a league of its own. There's some great poetry in this edition. Link below:

https://noonpoetry.files.wordpress.com/ ... oon-13.pdf

Hope you enjoy.

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Re: NOON 13

Postby Macavity » Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:55 am

Thanks for the prompt Tristan. Been dipping into - the 'angry' rain poem and revolving eye/door/tattoo I've particularly enjoyed so far.

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Re: NOON 13

Postby David » Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:21 pm

They're all (so far) a bit short for me. Too short for anything interesting to happen in them.

All short fuses and no explosions.

De gustibus, no doubt.

I'll try to find the two Mac mentions, just in case I'm missing something good.
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Re: NOON 13

Postby Macavity » Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:47 pm

I'll try to find the two Mac mentions, just in case I'm missing something good.


May not be to your taste, but the two I mentioned...

page 87 and page 84

My fav. short poem of all time is...

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems- ... tail/43682

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Re: NOON 13

Postby Firebird » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:02 pm

Hi Mac,

Pleased you're enjoying it. That's one of my favourites by Blake, too.

David, as Mac said it may just not be to your poetic taste, but for me there's a smorgasbord of delights here. Try Peter Marcus', John Levy's and George Swede's poems for a start.

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Re: NOON 13

Postby David » Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:12 pm

Thanks, Mac and Tristan. Okay, I will give those a go.
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Re: NOON 13

Postby David » Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:32 pm

Bingo! I like the Marcus and one of the Levys.
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Re: NOON 13

Postby David » Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:13 am

But Blake's is of a completely different species from the poems I've read in NOON, Mac, surely?

It's an extraordinarily concentrated and complex metrical poem - not the same sort of thing at all.

No?
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Re: NOON 13

Postby Macavity » Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:58 am

extraordinarily concentrated

A working definition of the short poem - and yes, there is a thread from Blake's poem to contemporary poetry in that sense.

What makes a good short poem?

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Re: NOON 13

Postby Crayon » Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:16 pm

Thanks for the notice and link, Firebird. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

BTW, did you intend to post this topic in the 'Ezines, Magazines and Publications' forum?
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Re: NOON 13

Postby Firebird » Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:35 pm

Mac, compression is definitely one of the elements of a good short poem. But it should also have a broadening sense of meaning; it should travel. Personally, I prefer short poems that are written in a minimal style with strong images/ideas/metaphors. I used to say that trying to write a good short is like fly fishing a for whale. It can be achieved. I agree there is a strong link between Blake's short poems and some of the poems in NOON, even though they are a very different poems to Blake's.

David, I am glad you enjoyed some of the poem.

Crayon, pleased you enjoyed NOON, too. I suppose as we are now discussing what makes a good short poem, this is the right place for this thread. However, when the thread started you were probably right.

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Re: NOON 13

Postby Macavity » Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:46 am

images/ideas/metaphors - I agree with that and especially it should travel. Rhythm is not a key or necessary component, for me, but I like to find other sonics like assonance/consonance.


The poem...

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetry ... tail/12675

The reading of...

http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/po ... /metro.htm

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Re: NOON 13

Postby Ros » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:54 am

I like http://www.righthandpointing.net/ for short poems.
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Re: NOON 13

Postby Antcliff » Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:05 pm

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Save in the tapestries of afterthought.
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Re: NOON 13

Postby Firebird » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:49 pm

Mac, 'In a Station of the Metro', is a good poem, but I don't think it's great though, because the juxtaposition of the two images produces so much complexity it works against the poem IMO, as it somehow detracts from its immediacy. But I do like what Pound is attempting to do (e.g. equate an image with a moment of experience; breaking with metre, the compression/concision; the creation of a verbless poem; describing the link between the outward world and our subjective experience of it); it launches poetry into modernity.

Ros, I like Right hand pointing, too.

Seth, it's a nice poem.

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Re: NOON 13

Postby Macavity » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:08 pm

because the juxtaposition of the two images produces so much complexity it works against the poem IMO, as it somehow detracts from its immediacy.


I often come to a poem in innocence, in time the experience may become complex - I don't worry if it doesn't. I haven't lost the 'immediacy' with this poem. I would say the same about the imagery in 'The Wasteland'...the thrill is still there.

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